Date: Sun, 03 Oct 99
From: "Mohammed Y.Jaffer"
Subject: [zanzinet] Re:
[Re: The Glory of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)]
QUALITIES OF ALI(A.S)
Words of Mohammed Faraj :
Attributes of Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) about your
reputation you gave to Sayiduna Ali Bin Abi Talib (RA) which cannot be accepted
by any sane, it is your decision. With this, you have not started this one, but
because before you there was a Jew named as Abdillahi bin Saba-a who entered
into this religion with the intention of wanting to corrupt it. He was among the
first Shia of Ali (RA), and this person exceeded the limit in praising Ali (RA)
until he reached to call Ali that he is Allah, and Ali (RA) judged him to be
killed by burning him for his unbelieving belief. Read the book of AL Hilmy page
164 chapter 2 (this is also a book of the Shiites).
Here brother has brought together two topics, the
first reports about the hadith Imam Ali (as) and the second about Abdullah ibn
HADITH ABOUT IMAM ALI (A.S)
Brother still keeps surprising me. When I bring hadith about Imam Ali (as), most
of them I extract from your books and on many other traditions are Mutawwatir
and accepted by the Sunni Scholars.
ABDULLAH BIN SABA
The person to bring about the hadith Abdullah bin Saba is Sayf Ibn Umar al-Dhabbi
al-Usayyidi al-Tamimi, who died in 170 AH, at the time of Haroon al-Rashid. Sayf,
who has written two books were available during the rule of Bani Ummaya. The
books themselves are "al-Fotooh wa al-Riddah" describe the history before death
of the Prophet (saw) until the time of the third caliph. And the second book is
"al-Jamal wa Maseeri Aisha wa Ali" describes the history from murder of Uthman
till the battle of Jamal.
This person Sayf is known as LIAR AND CREATING FALSE
HADITH, SIMILAR LIKE HADITH OF THE ‘ELFU LAILA WA LAILA’. Prominent Sunni
Scholars have confirmed that this Sayf ibn Umar was known in telling LIE, as
al-Hakim, al-Nisa'I, Mueen Yahya Ibn Abu Hatam, Ibn Abi Hatam, Abu Dawud, Ibn
Habban, Ibn Abd al-Barr, al-Darqutini, Firoozabad, Ibn al-Sakan, Safi al-Din,
Ibn UDei, al-Suyuti and Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani.
not accounted among
Scholars account this
him to be
and called them as
it making any sense for
our brother will search anything bad that he can lay on Shia even if it is Lie
and leave out the truth. I will like to advise our brothers drop down by
bringing these false hadith AND bring THE TRUE hadith, FOR EXAMPLE FOR KAAB AL-AHBAR.
I would love if he can explain to us about this Jewish Rabbi who was very near
TO THE SECOND AND THIRD Khalifa, AND HOW THEY WOULD TAKE ADVICE FROM HIM. NOT to
bring the tradition of 'thousand Laila and Laila' OF AL-Sayf KAZAB !!!!!
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 99
From: "Muhammad Aly"
Subject: Re: The Glory of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)(addition)
All Netters, ………………
For you to mentioning Abdullah Bin Sabaa is amazing,
you are a educated man, other things are not suitable to be told, the story of
Abdullah Bin Sabaa Sheikh Mohammed Faraj has been brought and time and again has
already been explained herein but to add only, this man did not exist and live
on earth, and all his stories are lies of the Saif Bin Omar At-Tamimi, if you
want to know more of the truth of these words, many of the Muslim scholars who
are deep in knowledge of the history feel that this person did not exist but in
fact it was one of the weapon wanting to either save the honor of the companions
or arms used against the power of the Shiites which was giving difficulties
political and social rulers of Banu Umayyah and others ... So for this reason
scholars of Sunni and Shiites have rejected the existence of this man because of
the firmly and strong proofs taken from the books which you know and other you
do not know of the Islamic history ... see evidence of this:
(i) Book "Abdullah Bin
Sabaa, of Allamah Seyyid Mortadha Al-Askari. and for the Sunni Scholars
(ii)Book "Adullah Ibn
Sabaa: A Study Of the Historical Resources Concerning His Role in Al-Fitnah"
of Sheikh Abdul-Aziiz S. Al-Helaabi,
Dean of Faculty of History at King Saud University -Saud
(iii)Book " Adh'waa ala
Sunnati Muhammadiyyah" of the Sheikh of
Azhar years of 1950s Mahmoud Abu-Rayyah etc. ..
Note: Proofs contained in these books will be
sufficient and you do not need any other proof and after reading these books I
request you to bring your comments on this story of Abdullah Bin Sabaa, your
claimed and depending on false stories of (Saif Bin Omar tamimi) whom I called "Bunuwasi"
of the story just like all scholars of Shi'i and Sunni call him. You have seen
the list of the Sunni scholars who rejected Omar Bin Seif tamimi from the
article Mr Mohammed Yussuf Jaffer, we pray for the netters that they will
consider on the subject of truth and throw away all past events with time.
Sorry if I used bad language, I'm sorry for all the
Your brother, Muhammad Aly.